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Hi All, (Comfort Newbee)
I think this system is great!!!! and the more I look in to it the better it gets….. Plus the after sales support and user support if fantastic……
Anyway I have a problem I would like to share and to get an expert opinion on.
I have the night mode automatically arm when we go to bed and turn off again before we get up in the morning. However, on the odd occasion the dogs want to go out in the middle of the night and we forget to turn off the alarm (half a sleep)…. This soon walks us and the rest of the neighbourhood up.
So I was wondering what is the best way for the system to realise it is us moving around and either bypass the back door for half an hour or so. I thought if PIR 1 (our bedroom) followed by PIR 2 (Hall) followed by PIR 3 (Kitchen) where triggered within 5 – 10 minutes during night mode either the system was disarmed or the back door was bypassed and then armed again after a similar sequent of detectors are triggered or a time elapses say half an hour.
No idea how I would program that though....
Idea and where to program them all welcome.
Cheer for now.
Lee
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| Posted: Monday Oct 17th, 2011 12:21 pm |
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That pain my head
Is it better to use Response 54 - "Start Entry delay in Night Mode"
If SecurityMode = NightMode Then
Start EntryDelay
End If
Put that in one of the zones, then it will start entry delay and tell you to disarm alarm
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| Posted: Monday Oct 17th, 2011 09:45 pm |
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Hi,
Yup.........I can see how that might work so will give it a go....
The only problem is I guess the keypad will start to chime which will wake us up when really all we want to do is zombie downstairs let the dogs out, then zombie back to bed without really waking up or doing anything.
Great start and at least this way it will stop the neighbours being woken up.....
Cheers
Lee
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| Posted: Tuesday Oct 18th, 2011 01:59 am |
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That would be just in case you forget to disarm the system and would be simplest
You can also try this programming zone responses for the 3 PIRs
PIR 1 - start a timer PIR1 for x minutes, do Null Response
PIR 2 - If Timer PIR 1 is running, start a Timer PIR2 for x minutes, do Null Response
PIR 3 - If Timer PIR 2 is running, Bypass back door, then start a timer for X minutes to Unbypass the back door
This uses 4 timers
It will bypass the back door for a duration to allow you to get back inside
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| Posted: Wednesday Oct 19th, 2011 05:38 am |
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Hi
That sounds spot on will have a go now. I think a combo of both answers will definatley do what I need.
Thanks All.
Cheers
Lee
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| Posted: Wednesday Oct 19th, 2011 05:38 am |
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Hi
That sounds spot on will have a go now. I think a combo of both answers will definatley do what I need.
Thanks All.
Cheers
Lee
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| Posted: Wednesday Oct 19th, 2011 06:54 am |
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Hi Again,
Sounds spot on, but I can find the start timer option must be there but can't see it..... Also one of the PIR in my suggested group should be turning on a night light so how do I include that? This s not working so help would be appreciated here as well (Please see attached).
So please confirm if I do the following under zone/inputs choose the on response
if night mode <>0
PIR 1 (master bed) - start a timer PIR1 for x minutes, do Null Response
if night mode <>0
PIR 2 (hall) - If Timer PIR 1 is running, start a Timer PIR2 for x minutes...
I Also want this PIR t(hall) to trigger a light between 11pm and 8am which is not working so help if you can as a response on under zone/input hall PIR (see attached)
PIR 3 - If Timer PIR 2 is running, Bypass back door, then start a timer for X minutes to Unbypass the back door
Cheers
Lee
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| Posted: Wednesday Oct 19th, 2011 12:18 pm |
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Start Timer means "Do Response after X seconds using Timer N " just like you have done
Here you just want to start a timer without doing any Response at the end so use
"Do Response NullResponse after X seconds using Timer N "
You can test if a Timer is running using the action
"If Timer N <>0 then ..."
There is a logical error in your condition
"If Hours > 23 Then
If Hours < 8 Then "
Hours is a value between 0 and 24 so hours cannot be > 23 AND also < 8
In other words, 8 is not greater than 23
You should use an OR combination, not AND as in your construction
eg
If Hours >= 23 Or Hours < 8 Then
Do ......
End If
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| Posted: Wednesday Oct 19th, 2011 08:52 pm |
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Hi ident
Does this look as if it would work?
Cheers
Lee
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| Posted: Wednesday Oct 19th, 2011 08:54 pm |
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oh......and would I trigger via master bed on response? Attachment: Capture2.JPG (Downloaded 71 times)
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| Posted: Wednesday Oct 19th, 2011 09:00 pm |
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Hi Indent,
Also is this rigth for the night lights? should get to test tonight.
Cheers
Lee
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| Posted: Wednesday Oct 19th, 2011 09:07 pm |
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You will need a separate response per PIR eg On Response for bedroom would start timer one
On Response for hall would then check if timer from bedroom pir was running and then starts its timer and do a null
then kitchen pir was do an on response etc etc
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| Posted: Thursday Oct 20th, 2011 07:08 am |
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Hi Ident,
Well the light on code working brill now thanks.
Hi Schford - That's sort of what I expected so now I am going to have to understand how I combine the lights on code with the bypass the the back door bit.
In my case both PIR 2 and 3 will are running an on responce for turning a z-wave appliance on and will also be required to start a timer. These events will have different conditions as well. So night lights between 0 - 8am, and the bypass zone will be when the night alarm is set around 1 - 7.
Maybe I have to change that and look at making the conditions the same, however we sometimes go to bed just before 1 so the bypass zone would not work unless I look at all possible route within the house to the back door and get timers running for all PIR's. To keep this simple I just though I know the route from the bedroom to back door and that we are normally in bed before 1 so hay presto.
Cheers
Lee
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| Posted: Thursday Oct 20th, 2011 07:23 am |
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My understanding is that all the code unless it is within an if statement effectively happens at the same time within a response - so just have a cpl more lines after or before the if statement to turn the lights on for your Response HallPirOn
As an aside to make it easier I have all my responses based on actions called RoomObjectOn or Off - eg I would have HallPirOn and HallPIROff
On another note - why dont you put the code to switch the light off under the PIR off response? That way it would not kick in until you had left the room...
As there are so many timers I also find it easier to name my timers after rooms so I never mix them up as well :-)Last edited on Thursday Oct 20th, 2011 07:26 am by schford
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| Posted: Thursday Oct 20th, 2011 10:51 am |
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The correct way to define an OR condition is shown below
Hours >= 23 OR Hours < 8
There is no need to use the condition If Hours >=0 as in your screenshot because that will always be true as Hours is from 0 to 23
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| Posted: Thursday Oct 20th, 2011 10:55 am |
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When you assign a Zone ON Responsem, you do not have to test that the zone is on,
eg in your screenshot you have
If MasterBedroomPIR<>0 Then ...
If this is the Master Bedroom PIR ONResponse then it is activated only if the Master Bedroom PIR becomes active, so that IF MasterBedroomPIR statement is redundant
However you can test if other zones are also on
eg
In Zone 1 Response you can test if Zone 2 etc are on
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| Posted: Thursday Oct 20th, 2011 05:20 pm |
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Hi All
Think I am getting this now so if I add the followin to Zone on response That should do it I think.
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You have got the general idea.
A few comments;
The Master Bedroom PIR Response does not need to test Master Bedroom PIR being on
If Night Time = 0 means Not Night Time, so your actions work in the Day only?
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