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NickG
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Posted: Monday Dec 18th, 2006 03:06 pm |
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I have two night mode issues on an installation:
- Customer wants to arm silently into night mode, i.e. no beeps through the internal speakers, night mode announcement on the keypads is fine however.
- I am trying to get an internal alarm only (internal speakers and keypads only, no external bell box) when triggered when the system is armed to night mode.
I am at a loss to work out how to do either of these things?
For the 2nd problem I have set the night column to perimeter for the PIRNightAway zone type but it has made no difference, the outside bell boxes still sound when the alarm is trigered in night mode.
Thanks for your help
Nick
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palmlodge
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Posted: Tuesday Dec 19th, 2006 04:04 pm |
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I do this :
In the KeyArmNight response :
If SecurityMode <> AwayMode Then
KeySwitchArm NightMode
Keypad 1 Broadcast Disable
End If
In the SecurityOffResp :
Keypad 1 Broadcast Enable
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Posted: Wednesday Dec 20th, 2006 09:10 am |
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Thats an ingenious solution to disable the armed siren on the keypad. However note that when the keypad broadcast is disabled, the siren and announcements will not be heard on the keypad
For your first problem, If you want to disable the speaker in Night arming, you can also go to Security Types > Siren Types, under Night Armed (Siren type 16), set the Sound Type to Null. This means night arming will be completely silent
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Posted: Wednesday Dec 20th, 2006 11:48 am |
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This 'ingenous solution' was from you on the 24th August 2005
I already have the siren type as quiet. but it doesnt stop the mad comedy woman sprouting out "night mode" , hence disabling the keypad completely.
It's a nut cracker to crack an egg solution
Last edited on Wednesday Dec 20th, 2006 11:52 am by palmlodge
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Posted: Thursday Dec 21st, 2006 01:32 am |
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palmlodge wrote: This 'ingenous solution' was from you on the 24th August 2005
I already have the siren type as quiet. but it doesnt stop the mad comedy woman sprouting out "night mode" , hence disabling the keypad completely.
It's a nut cracker to crack an egg solution
Palmlodge
I am sorry you do not want the "mad comedy woman" to "sprout" night mode. This is the way the system works as it was designed to give the greatest benefit to as many people as possible in many countries. We cannot expect products to work exactly the way we want, and Comfort is no exception. The fact that you are able to configure the product as you have done to prevent an announcement which is annoying to you is something which should be appreciated
regards
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NickG
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Posted: Thursday Dec 21st, 2006 07:59 am |
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Thanks for for advice on makinig the speaker silent I'll give that a go.
Any ideas on stoping the bell box from sounding if the alarm is triggerred when in Night Mode, they have a dog and whilst we have used Pet Immune detectors he can sometimes set it off at night time and they don't want ot wake the neighbours!
Thanks
Nick
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Posted: Thursday Dec 21st, 2006 11:46 am |
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Try the response below;
If SecurityMode = NightMode Then
Do BellOff [Bell Off] After 1 Seconds Using Timer01
End If
Use this in the Intruder Alarm Rresponse
When an alarm occurs, the Response will check the security mode, if Night, it will turn OFF the BELL after 1 second
the delay timer is necessary because the Alarm Response may be started before the alarm siren.
Since this affects the alarm operations, I have to warn you to test thoroughly before you adopt this method and not treat this suggestion as firm advice (so that we dont get sued)
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NickG
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Posted: Friday Dec 22nd, 2006 11:16 am |
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Hmm, tried your suggestion for silent night arming, but I don't have 'null' as an option when you bring up the drop down box on the sound type column ....
Help!
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Posted: Friday Dec 22nd, 2006 12:14 pm |
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You are right, there is no Null Sound Type. I got mixed up with Null siren
What you can do is on Siren Type 16, set the duration to very short, say 0.05 seconds which is the smallest duration allowed, set Keypad in that line to NO, so the sound does not go to the keypad. You will end up with a very short burst on the internal speaker which you may not hear
Change the sound type to an unsued one say "Alternate Beep", then go to Sound Types, and change the parameters for Alternate Beep - set Tone 1 Frequency to 150 Hz, as a lowe frequency will be less audible
It may not be completely silent but should be pretty quiet
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Posted: Monday May 19th, 2008 06:26 pm |
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I have exactly the same issue, but dispite following the advice in this topic, I've been unable to suppress the beeps from the keypad when arming to night mode.
As per advice, I've modified Security Type Settings | Siren Types | NightArmed :
Duration = 0.1
Keypad = No
I've also tried amending the Sound Type to an unused siren type and changing those settings, without luck.
Please could someone offer some easy to follow instructions on how to suppress these beeps in night mode... To cut a long story short, my installer did a disasterous job at installing Comfort. After numerous false alarms (which I finally traced back to poor wiring inside the panel), I have had to re-wire the unit and am now in the process of re-configuring.
Any help appreciated.
Many thanks,
Jon
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Posted: Tuesday May 20th, 2008 12:47 am |
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A similar issue discussed before in other thread, see:
http://www.comfortforums.com/forum16/425.html
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Posted: Tuesday May 20th, 2008 04:56 am |
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There is a simpler way of having making the siren silent in Night Mode
Redefine Sound Type 11 "Alternate Beep" as "Silent"
Set Tone 1 Frequency = 0
This means the sound type is silent
In Siren Types, Siren Type 16, Night Armed change Siren Type from "Armed2Beeps" to the Silent Sound Type
There will be no sound from the speaker, keypad or any sound source
Clarification
The method above is to disable the two beeps when the system is armed to Night Mode, not the arming beeps themselves
You can do the same for the Arming Beeps sound type - this will silence the beeps heard when arming but before the system is armed, but this wiill make arming beeps to AWAY silent as well
Last edited on Tuesday May 20th, 2008 05:02 am by admin
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Posted: Tuesday May 20th, 2008 08:07 am |
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hendy wrote: A similar issue discussed before in other thread, see:
http://www.comfortforums.com/forum16/425.html
The big problem with this solution is that all sound is eliminated from the keypad, not just the arming beeps.
Therefore, if the alarm were to go off, we wouldn't hear it!
A sure-fire way to upset the neighbours me thinks 
Last edited on Tuesday May 20th, 2008 08:08 am by jon_itmagic
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Posted: Tuesday May 20th, 2008 08:11 am |
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admin wrote: There is a simpler way of having making the siren silent in Night Mode
Redefine Sound Type 11 "Alternate Beep" as "Silent"
Set Tone 1 Frequency = 0
This means the sound type is silent
In Siren Types, Siren Type 16, Night Armed change Siren Type from "Armed2Beeps" to the Silent Sound Type
There will be no sound from the speaker, keypad or any sound source
Clarification
The method above is to disable the two beeps when the system is armed to Night Mode, not the arming beeps themselves
You can do the same for the Arming Beeps sound type - this will silence the beeps heard when arming but before the system is armed, but this wiill make arming beeps to AWAY silent as well
OK, I've done as you describe, but I'm still getting the arming beeps through the keypad.
I know it's possible to do this... My installer briefly had this working. Unfortunately, unbeknown to me, he overwrote his changes and failed to give me the correct config file. 
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Posted: Tuesday May 20th, 2008 12:34 pm |
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Use this file attached, see the Siren Types for Siren Type 3 - Arming tone and Siren Type 16 Night Armed set to Silent
Do a selective download to avoid changing other settings and see if that works
We have tested here
Attachment: Noarmbeeps.ccl (Downloaded 3 times)
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Posted: Tuesday May 20th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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OK... I downloaded your file & did a selective upload on Siren Types and Sound Types. I have also done a system reset.
Unfortunately, I'm still getting beeps through the keypad.
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Posted: Wednesday May 21st, 2008 04:45 am |
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I hope you mean a Selective Download, not Upload. Selective Upload will trannfer from Comfort to PC
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Posted: Wednesday May 21st, 2008 06:56 am |
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Apologies for being off-topic .....
"I hope you mean a Selective Download, not Upload. Selective Upload will trannfer from Comfort to PC"
This has long been a source of confusion and I always have to slow down and think about it!
I believe that this is the wrong way round. You DOWNLOAD from the Internet (or the remote device) TO your PC, and you UPLOAD from your PC to the Internet (or the remote device). Replace "the Internet" with "Comfort", being the remote device (remote from the PC), and you should be uploading to Comfort and downloading from Comfort.
OK, this is nit-picking, and I don't expect a change, but just couldn't resist the temptation, so just smile and ignore me!
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Posted: Wednesday May 21st, 2008 08:09 am |
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Sorry, yes, I meant a selective download.
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Posted: Wednesday May 21st, 2008 06:53 pm |
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Well. I've re-tested the sample .CCL file and done a selective download, but the keypad beeps are still there.
Do you have any other suggestions I could try?
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