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The new beta software can be downloaded from here
Bugs fixed- System Information could not be read from firmware less than UCM 5.160
- Fixed problem with Branch or IF statement skips too many actions
- FTDI USB drivers were not in correct folder
- When a referenced counter has its name changed, the change is not reflected in the Responses which reference it
- Sensor Registers do not show References
- "Floating word list" caused by any event in Monitor I/O
- Unknown actions in Responses do not get flagged as errors, the are shown with the action number eg "Action 31" to cater for future actions
- X10 Transmit, if named, they do not generate the correct actions
- Action "Perform Engineer Reset" causes Error Invalid Parameter
- Action "Set Message Tag for Recording" gives error
- Action "Record Message on Door station" allows duration of 255
- Action Copy Counter did not work
- Action Get Flag did not work
- EIB 3 level Group Addresses - Mid group could not be changed
Known Bugs (These may also be in 2.9.12)- Sensor Responses do not show References
- For Write to Comfort if a user code is entered instead of Engineer Code, a window "Incompatible File system" may be seen and the hourglass appears and remain on until the program is closed
- Error in HDL Configurator
- Action If Zone, IF Last Zone parameters are wrong
- Sensor Responses are not Written to Comfort
- Action Get Counter 0 causes Error
- Creating new Responses from Events - may not select new responses if the IF statement is used
- Add a New Response adds the Response numbered 1 and causes other Responses after the new Response to be renumbered. Do Response points to the wrong Response (reported by wexfordman in this forum)
- UCM does not show in toolbar if selected in Options
- Response Wizard > Misc > Comment is not saved
- Response Name is not allowed to start with a Number, but if the name is autogenerated from the Description, the name starting with a number is accepted
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| Posted: Thursday Feb 12th, 2009 07:25 am |
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Remember also that renaming a response doesnt update the references where it's used in Control Menu. I reported this earlier and just confirmed it's still in 2.9.13.
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| Posted: Thursday Feb 12th, 2009 07:39 am |
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From a usability standpoint could I also say (apart from the fact that overall 2.9.x is great!!) that one thing that does confuse me slightly as a user is the SAVE button.
Making a change to the config and then pressing SAVE I get zero feedback in the UI that the save has happened. I know if I exit without saving I get a prompt asking if I want to save but it would be good to have at least some visual indication that it happened in the UI.
And this leads me onto the second and connected point. If I open a comfigurator config, make some changes and then write to comfort (PC -> Comfort) without saving, what config is it using; the one open in the UI or the saved (file) version?
Perhaps for the sake of clarity the UI should prompt you to save the config if you try to write to comfort before the config is saved (same dialog as on exit).
My thoughts anyway but please do confirm my question above about which version of config it does write (PC -> Comfort).
J
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| Posted: Thursday Feb 12th, 2009 09:24 am |
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juwi_uk wrote: Remember also that renaming a response doesnt update the references where it's used in Control Menu. I reported this earlier and just confirmed it's still in 2.9.13.
J
Can you describe what you do to get this?
I have a control menu Group 0 Key 1 On Response with a Response Output1On . I go to Responses and rename the Response to Output1On000
When I go back to the Control menu, I find that the Response in the same Control menu has changed to Output1On000
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| Posted: Thursday Feb 12th, 2009 09:32 am |
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juwi_uk wrote: From a usability standpoint could I also say (apart from the fact that overall 2.9.x is great!!) that one thing that does confuse me slightly as a user is the SAVE button.
Making a change to the config and then pressing SAVE I get zero feedback in the UI that the save has happened. I know if I exit without saving I get a prompt asking if I want to save but it would be good to have at least some visual indication that it happened in the UI.
And this leads me onto the second and connected point. If I open a comfigurator config, make some changes and then write to comfort (PC -> Comfort) without saving, what config is it using; the one open in the UI or the saved (file) version?
Perhaps for the sake of clarity the UI should prompt you to save the config if you try to write to comfort before the config is saved (same dialog as on exit).
My thoughts anyway but please do confirm my question above about which version of config it does write (PC -> Comfort).
J
I think the normal way that Windows programs usually operate eg Word is that you dont get a confirmation that the save happened after you press the Save icon
If you write to Comfort without saving, the config which is open is written, not the saved config. This is what happens if you print a Word file without saving, the opened document in memory is what is printed.
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| Posted: Thursday Feb 12th, 2009 09:38 am |
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Apologies everyone, it does work. I was looking at the feedback counter name which in my setup is similar to the response name. 
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| Posted: Thursday Feb 12th, 2009 09:53 am |
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Hi
I accept your points as beeing normal windows behaviour and Ok see that when you write to comfort it uses the config in memory.
I think though if you were to prompt the user to save before writing to comfort you would minimise chances of a config running in Comfort that's not saved back to a CCL. How many times in Word have we all lost our changes on exit because it's the end of the day and we are tired or not concentrating and we press NO instead of YES to the save prompt. I know I've kicked myself a few times for doing this.
Given this is a security APP I personally (you asked for feedback !) the "belt-and-braces" approach would in my opinion be better. Hey but I'm an end user and plenty of time to fiddle and retype but was thinking more of your installer community where time is money!
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| Posted: Thursday Feb 12th, 2009 10:26 am |
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Actually, looking at Word and Excel they save in different ways:
* Word flashes up a floppy disk icon in the status bar whilst saving
* Excel flashes a "Saving.......xls" message and progress bar in the status bar as it saves.
(oh the joys of different development teams producing different behaviours in a suite!!)
Not saying you do one or the other but they do provide at least some (blink or you'll miss it) visual representation of the save action.
J
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| Posted: Friday Feb 13th, 2009 12:26 am |
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Hi,
I riased this before, and thought I was going mad (or i was missing something obvious), I think I might still be one or the other :-) as I cant figure out whats going on.
I am trying to build a response from scs to turn heating on/off and for some reason when I build the response, and when I check it later, it has changed (ie, If my reponse calls on another response eg Do Resonse Bed Heat off, whenever I check back on it after I create another resposne, the DO response Bed Heat off ahs changed to something like DO response Bathroom light off)
I think I am going mad!!!
Comfigurator file is enclosed, can you please have a look, and pay attention in particular to response 43, whcih is gone completely haywire on me and is call ing on light responses insteat of the ehat ones I specified when I created it.
Also, when you look at it in the side window "response source" it looks okay, but if you go into response wizard, its a totally different response!!.
Thanks,
Eamon
Attachment: House_7.cclx (Downloaded 1 time)
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 07:59 am |
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You dont have Response 43, you have Response 42 which is
If Counter Heat_Bedroom = 0 Then
X10 Heat_Bedroom On
Set Heat_Bedroom = 1
Do Light_Drssing_on
Do Heat_Bed_Off After 3600 Seconds Using Heat_Bed
Else
Do Light_Office_On
End If
Is this the correct response, or is there a mistake in the response?
Can you describe how to get this error that you refer to?
Are you using 2.9.13?
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 08:12 am |
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Chaps,
I'd just like to thank you for sharing the Comfigurator beta's with us mere mortals in the end user community and I for one have had fun playing with them in my own project. And as with any posting that happens on this forum you guys are so responsive in your replys too which is really refreshing.
I think you've done a great job at v2.9.13 and it's a great tool now. I personally switched off 2.2.3 use when 2.9.12 came along and this one is even better!
Well done. You should give yourselves big pats on the back!
J
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 08:19 am |
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I'm probably going to kick myself when you reply but can you tell me what "Show Alarms" flag does as there's currently no help text for this setting in Comfigurator nor could I find anything in the manuals.
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 08:20 am |
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Reply to Wexfordman\
Sorry, I see now that when you open Response 42 in Response Wizard some of the called Responses are changed, it becomes
If Counter Heat_Bedroom = 0 Then
X10 Heat_Bedroom On
Set Heat_Bedroom = 1
Do Light_Ensuite_Of
Do After 3600 Seconds Using Heat_Bed
Else
Do Light_Drssing_On
End If
Is that what you are seeing?
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 08:30 am |
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One thing I noticed the other day in 2.9.13 was if you go into OPTIONS and change the checkboxes for which items you want to see on the toolbar, these settings dont show until you restart Comfigurator. Toggling the toolbar off/on doesn't refresh the list and there's no REFRESH (UI) button on the menu as you get in some other UI's. Is this as designed functionality?
Also (at least for this item) if you select UCM checkbox it doesn't show on the toolbar at all even after a restart.
All minor issues I know but thought I'd feedback anyway.
J
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 08:31 am |
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juwi_uk wrote: I'm probably going to kick myself when you reply but can you tell me what "Show Alarms" flag does as there's currently no help text for this setting in Comfigurator nor could I find anything in the manuals.
"Show Alarms" if unchecked is meant to comply with EN50131 the new European Standard for Intruder Alarms and PD6662 its UK implementation
You can read about how Comfort implements this at
http://www.cytech.biz/Default.aspx?cmd=sQ0OYE9X66w%2b0P%2bAcFsmAI3j73Rwtfrj&fileid=95&dcid=8&pageindex=
In my personal opinion as an alarm user, this is a bad standard, it does not make your home safer but causes much inconvenience and I would never have it in my home, For example when the system is armed you are not allowed to display any information on the keypad eg beeps or leds, until you sign in, not even if the system is armed or not. If there is any alarm you cannot display any information or any alarm sound or any information about the zone or alarm or even that there is an alarm until you sign in.
It serves insurance companies and police response rather than the user
I suggest you keep Show alarms on, as you need this information as a user
There is a separate forum at http://www.comfortforums.com/forum52/
I dont believe many other European countries are actively using the standard
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 08:42 am |
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Another minor issue I noticed was that if you use the response wizard and add a "Comment" (under miscellaneous) then it's not saved with the rest of the response definition.
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 08:50 am |
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Thanks for the compliments. Users like you are doing a great service by finding these bugs
Note that we are updating these problems in the first post on this topic
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| Posted: Saturday Feb 14th, 2009 10:54 am |
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Hi Slychiu,
Yes this is what I am seeing, in addition to the fact that when I wrote the response first, I had "Do heat living on" instead of "Do Light Drssing On" and "Do HEat Living Off" instead of "do light office on". These seemed to have just changed themselves. I am finding this in neary all the responses I am writing.
Any help appreciated, as it' causing mayhem :-)
Regards,
Eamon
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| Posted: Sunday Feb 15th, 2009 04:33 am |
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We can confirm this is happening with your file, but not in a new file that we start, so we will look into it
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| Posted: Sunday Feb 15th, 2009 04:40 am |
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It appears this is a problem when the new Response changes numbers of other Responses
Fix all responses in the EDIT menu as workaround
This should prevent the problem for now
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