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slychiu Administrator 
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Hello to all Comfort customers, and installers We are in the final stages of designing a new LCD Keypad model KP06, in the same family as the KT03. This keypad is designed to be flush-mounted into a standard European 2 gang backbox. It will look similar to a KNX switch with a System 55 2-gang frame (ie 55 x 55 mm central cutouts). This means that any System 55 2-gang frame fromn any KNX manufacturer (eg Gira, Jung, Merten etc) can be used in place of the frame that comes with the KP06. The KP06 can be mounted horizontally or vertically, as with the KT03 Volume control Up/down buttons instead of the thumbwheel on the KP04 We would like our customers feedback on several allternate designs of the frame before we start the production tooling. Pleave VOTE by clicking the VOTE button above These alternate designs are shown. Note that the choice is between the different Frames only. Even though the keypad and LCD modules may look different, the final version of these have been determined Design A  Design B  Design C  The ones in black will have IR receivers to allow RC01 and unitversal remote controls to control Comfort The Design A will not be able to receive IR signals, nor will third party frames There is a poll to indicate your choice. Please participate by clicking on the VOTE button However we cannot guarantee that the most popular design will be selected because there may be other factors to consider. A photo of the actual Keypad module is shown  This is an impression of the KP06 in Vertical Orientation  If you do not find the KP06 frames to your liking, frames from KNX manufacturers like Jung, Gira, Merten etc can also be used, for example some of Gira's Esprit range are shown (available in glass, Chrome, Aluminium etc)   Last edited on Wednesday May 11th, 2011 01:31 am by |
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palmlodge Member
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Perhaps a beta program would assist you with real world feedback ? |
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slychiu Administrator
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Interesting suggestion, but the term Beta is applicable to software changes. Here there is no equivalent. We are looking for feedback as to what users prefer in the appearance design before we start the tooling and fix it The KP06 will have upgradable firmware, which means the firmware can be upgraded by Comfort, unlike the KP04 and KP03, so if you buy the new KP06 you can upgrade the firmware when there are any changes I hope you have indicated your preference. |
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rwm Member
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B - black surround may not show dirt as easily as silver. But I suggest the more prominently marked buttons of A, easier to see for those of us without our glasses when we need to turn off the alarm! Perhaps the characters could even be in black for maximum contrast? |
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Bala.G Member 
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Design A and B is nice |
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WMADKOUR Comfort Installers 
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Design B first Dedign c Design a |
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slychiu Administrator
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Sorry, there was a problem with the poll, which prevented voting It has been fixed. Please vote on the poll |
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dcrera Comfort Installers 
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Hi I prefer the Black with IR. PLEASE make a surface mount box available for this applications. Kinda hard to start busting into a masonary wall for a flush mount. Thanks |
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slychiu Administrator
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I am afraid this would not look good as surface mount. It loses the look |
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bahrami Member
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Design A in the nicest but IR receivers is important factor.so my choose in Design B. |
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on4cet Member 
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I think both black and silver versions are needed, just to make it look right amongst your existing wallmounted switches. Some are with a silver finishing, so design A would look good. on the other hand design B looks better and has IR. I think that is necessary. Bart |
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Electronia Member 
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"B" with the size of lettering that is used on "A". We also have a lot of houses that use white switches and sockets can there be a option for white? Kobus |
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slychiu Administrator
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Design C also has IR, this is why the central area is the black IR transparent material White is a possibility |
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TheMax74 Member 
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Design B, but also in white style. |
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gmcorrea Member
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Design A Silver is stunning, though White should definitely be included as an option (hopefully with IR included!)  |
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Barn1994 Member
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Design A looks the best to me, but IR is very important, hence voted for B |
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4bondy Member
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Design B with Design A keypad but in white |
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John W UCM Pi Users
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This might be a bit of an odd-ball suggestion but here goes anyway. dcrera suggested a surface mount option. Would it be possible for the two parts (keypad and intercom)to be framed in such a manner that they will fit into something like an MK Logic plus frame. That way the customer can choose the colour and style of surround to match all other fittings in the property. Like I say, possibly a bit left field since I expect each market will have its preferred fittings suppliers. Or maybe you could produce your owjn frames that look similar ? I've voted for A and B. Regards, John. |
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c8les Member
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Keep your options open - make all 3!! |
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pgc_uk Member
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I think there is too much changing in each design and since it is a modular system my vote would be: Voice station (left module) from C as is had the clearest indicators and vol control Keypad from A as it has the cleanest look Surround from B as it is simple and has IR, although white would be prefered. Sorry to be awkward! |
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palmlodge Member
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Considering I currently have 'Alpha' and 'Beta' hardware from 2 very large well known electronic consumer organisations (one of which you will have either used or more than likely have yourself), I would beg to differ ! As I'm under NDA I cannot mention them, but we are able to assist in the development by reporting issues with the hardware and supporting software, and log and view other participants responses and feedback through a tracking system. slychiu wrote: Interesting suggestion, but the term Beta is applicable to software changes. |
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palmlodge Member
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I cannot really distinguish them from these "photos". Either way, I would prefer a white version, or something that matches a CBUS Saturn DLT glass unit. |
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Tesla Member
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You should have few different options. Possibly to make all the covers for easy replacement - modular. You could also have buttons in different colours. To make it simple, have few standard options and have others as optional - per order. |
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Mike35 Member
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Option A in white is preferred |
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slychiu Administrator
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rwm wrote: B - black surround may not show dirt as easily as silver.The difference in contrast for the numeric symbols between the 3 options should be due to the image resolution only, not real |
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slychiu Administrator
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pgc_uk wrote: I think there is too much changing in each design and since it is a modular system my vote would be:I may have been misleading everyone. The keypad and LCD modules look different because they are shown at different stages of design. Actually the choice now is only in the frames or surrounds as the keypad and LCD modules designs are settled Our apologies |
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securiscan Member
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Too big and wide! |
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slychiu Administrator
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John W wrote:
If the MK Logic Plus is the same size as a standard UK wall switch, the internal screw holes take up too much room so the modules are not able to fit in |
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ident Administrator 
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securiscan wrote: Too big and wide! What is too big and wide? The keypad is designed to fit into a standard EU 2 gang back box so that outer size is fixed |
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keiba_solutions Member
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Why make a frame at all? If it is being designed to fit into standard 55mm type frames the emphasis should be on making the actual KP06 unit itself styled to suit. Having a silver KP06 and trying to put it into the popular Gira Stainless Steel frames may look odd if they are not the same colour. You could easily resell frames from many different suppliers but the question of how good the actual KP06 looks within the other frames is most important. The IR issue could be solved a couple of ways. I would recommend a 3 pin IR header or screw terminals on the KP06. This way the installer could either use a 3rd blank module with just an IR receiver in it or otherwise wire it to a local point in the room with other IR devices for an integrated solution (or both). A security keypad is often one of the first things people see when walking into a house - there is a real market for ones which actually look good and integrate aesthetically. My view is that having a few colour variant of the KP06 or changable top covers is more important than the frame. |
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securiscan Member
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Sorry, but our back boxes in Australia are a lot smaller. There would be more options to install the codepad on a wall if the design was slender and upright. If a person uses their left or right hand on the numerical codepad, they could easily view the LCD display if it was located above. |
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ident Administrator
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securiscan wrote: Sorry, but our back boxes in Australia are a lot smaller.I dont realise you were from Australia Yes it would not fit your backboxes. It is already quite tight in the box and a lot of engineering was done to make it fit the uropean boxes so the current design would not go into your boxes However we are supplying the EU backboxes so that may still be an option. It should not look odd. |
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ident Administrator
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keiba_solutions wrote: Why make a frame at all? If it is being designed to fit into standard 55mm type frames the emphasis should be on making the actual KP06 unit itself styled to suit.We do need to supply a frame as not all customers are able to get KNX frames easily. KNX is not popular everywhere yet But you have a point about looking good with different manufacturers frames. The 2 modules are quite neutral and should fit into a variety of manufacturers frames. We may take photos with different frames |
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petar555 Member
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Please send me the price list of your product ! |
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rodime Comfort Installers
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Design B with the bigger numbers of A. And availability in Black or white would be good. IR is important |
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paulgwatkin2 Member
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Having a security system keypad that looks good asthetically is important - especially given the fact the Comfort is by it's nature a high end product. The type of customer chosing a residential install of Comfort are going to want this to fit with the decor and other systems like CBUS etc. Ideally multiple faceplates should be supported, black, white etc but also looking to try and mirror faceplates like those used by the Saturn CBUS range from Clipsal. Voice station (left module) from C as is has the clearest indicators and vol control Keypad from A as it has the cleanest look Surround from B as it is simple and has IR. Paul |
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ident Administrator
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petar555 wrote: Please send me the price list of your product ! The list of Comfort distributors is at http://www.cytech.biz/dealers.php We do not have any distributors in Serbia. If you weant to buy Comfort you can order from any nearby country or contact us direct at sales@cytech.biz |
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ident Administrator
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The KP06 can be mounted in Horizontal and Vertical Orientation An impression of the KP06 mounted vertically is shown |
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palmlodge Member
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Can you disable the very annoying key beeps ? |
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juwi_uk Member 
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"Design A" picture seems to have the IR receiver on it but "Design B" doesn't . The explanation suggests it's the other way around? Bit confused.  Julian |
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ident Administrator
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palmlodge wrote: Can you disable the very annoying key beeps ?Yes, although I have not come across anyone else who finds kewy beeps annoying |
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ident Administrator
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juwi_uk wrote: "Design A" picture seems to have the IR receiver on it but "Design B" doesn't .The dot in Design A was taken away. The IR receiver needs black IR transparent material, so it is hidden beneath the black surfaces in B and C |
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ident Administrator
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paulgwatkin2 wrote: Having a security system keypad that looks good asthetically is important - especially given the fact the Comfort is by it's nature a high end product.Because the KP06 is designed to fit into a "standard" hole size used by KNX manufacturers, you can use frames manufactured by Gira, Merten, Jung etc for example some Gira Esprit series frames are shown    |
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WMADKOUR Comfort Installers
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when the estimated time to be ready for ordering |
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slychiu Administrator
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We expect production to commence in 3 months barring any delay which is quite likely so please do not commit supply for the time being |
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Glouba Member
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We are now 4 months later since your last message (estimating the production to about 3 months if no delay). Is it possible to have an update about the release date of this new keypad ? Thanks ! |
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ident Administrator
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We are still finalising the prototypes and we expect productiuon to start next month As we said 3 months "if no delay"  |
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