Posted: Tuesday Sep 18th, 2012 10:57 am |
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Questions about DS02 Connections from alex2012
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1. The terminals 1,2,3,4,-,C,A,P of DS02 will connect directly to DM02 as per connections table in manuals .
Q1 : apart from those above mentioned terminals ,there is also L+ and L- on DS02. Where do they connect and with what wire ?
These terminals are not used. Please do not connect
Q2 : I have one cat 5 (4twisted pair) at DS02, is there a specific way of using these 4 pairs or shall I treat them as 8 separate wires and connect 8 terminals (1234-ACP) with any wire regardless of twisted pair There is no specific pairs to use for the wiring between DS02 and DM02 as these are only analog signals and not RS485 or data signals which require pairing. However keep the cable away from any noise sources especially mains cable to avoid induced noise or humming
2. I shall connect 4way cable between DM02 and comfort digital part . Also to connect Mic and voice of DM02 to connect DP voice and Mic
Q1. Are there any other wires required to be connected to JP1 & JP2 on DM02 from door station ?
No
3. Relays
Kindly clarify how many I will need, where to connect and what type relay I will need , so that I can buy exactly what I need. Will I need a CONTACTOR 240V as well , and where to connect it ?
What is the purpose of the relays you refer to? what do you want to connect the relays to?
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 19th, 2012 12:45 pm |
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Thanks for bringing me to comfort forum
Also thanks for your clarifications .
Kindly advise the following
1. Which wires I need to use for connection between voice / Mic of DM02 to voice Mic on DP at comfort DP
2. Relays
I admit that I don't know anything about relays and if I need any or not. However in your reply earlier , you wrote "Other relays eg RLY01 can be connected to the Outputs of comfort. "
I have comfort II and DS02/A with DM02, and KP06 and KP0.4 keypads.
So given this configuration , Kindly clarify how many relays I will need, where to connect and what type relay I will need , so that I can buy exactly what I need.
Will I need a CONTACTOR 240V as well , and where to connect it ?
Thanks and regards
Alex
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 19th, 2012 01:10 pm |
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You have a CAT5 cable between DS02 and DM02 correct?
The Mic and voice from DS02 to DM02 can be on the same cable
You do not need any relays at all for the DS02 and DM02 to work
Relays are for switching devices, they are not required for DS02 communication
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 19th, 2012 03:27 pm |
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Hi the cat 5 I have on DS02 is connecting DS02 to DM02. And I was told that apart from this connection between DS02 and DM02, I also need to connect DM02 to comfort main panel .. and for this two things -
1. Four way cable to digital part RS485
2. To connect voice / Mic of DM02 to voice Mic on DP terminals at comfort (analog part) .. SO FOR THIS CONNECTION WHICH WIRES I NEED TO USE .
IN OTHER WORDS , On DM02
Voice Mic (to Door station) is connected to
DS (USING CAT5)
Voice /Mic (to Comfort) is connected to Comfort ANALOG PART DP TERMINAL ... THIS CONNECTION TO BE MADE USING WHICH WIRES ?
RELAYS
MY QUESTION ABOUT RELAYS IS NOT ONLY FOR WORKING OF DS02 & DM02, MY QUESTION ABOUT RELAYS IS FOR ENTIRE SYSTEM. WHICH CONSISTS OF DM02,DS02, comfort II, texecom 3D pet sensors , Odyssey siren and strobe , optical sensor. Will I need any types of relay connector for all these components to work together ? Last edited on Wednesday Sep 19th, 2012 04:46 pm by alex2012
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Posted: Thursday Sep 20th, 2012 02:06 am |
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Hi the cat 5 I have on DS02 is connecting DS02 to DM02. And I was told that apart from this connection between DS02 and DM02, I also need to connect DM02 to comfort main panel .. and for this two things - 1. Four way cable to digital part RS485 2. To connect voice / Mic of DM02 to voice Mic on DP terminals at comfort (analog part) .. SO FOR THIS CONNECTION WHICH WIRES I NEED TO USE .
If the distance from DM02 to Comfort is not far, ie in the same box or adjacent, then it does not matter what wire to use, CAT5, CAT3, security wires
If it is further away then CAT5 or sccreened wires will do. Keep the wires away from any mains cables
RELAYS MY QUESTION ABOUT RELAYS IS NOT ONLY FOR WORKING OF DS02 & DM02, MY QUESTION ABOUT RELAYS IS FOR ENTIRE SYSTEM. WHICH CONSISTS OF DM02,DS02, comfort II, texecom 3D pet sensors , Odyssey siren and strobe , optical sensor. Will I need any types of relay connector for all these components to work together ?
again the question is what do you intend to connect with relays? Relays are a switch which connects or disconnects something. There is no general answer to your question without knowing your problem. Relays especially when they switch main s voltages should be understaken by an electrician or one with electrical knowledge as it may be dangerous
Sensors, siren, strobe, do not need any relays. The engineer manual can be downloaded from http://www.cytech.biz/installation_manual.html?category_id=106 shows how sensors, siren, strobe are connected
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Posted: Monday Sep 24th, 2012 08:05 pm |
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HI,
I connected all the following :
COMFORT II
DS02,DM02,Ringer Module
Texecom 3D Petwise PIRs
Texecom Odyssey 3E Siren/strobe
Texecom Smoke sensor
Keypads KP06 and KP04
7.5 AH/ 12 V Lead Acid Battery
And nothing is working as expected
kindly help .
1. Please look at the components above and advise me if anything is incompatible ? e.g. should i use 7 Ah and not 7.5 AH , can a system work with KP06 and KP04 keypads only ?
2.from my previous posts about DS02 and DM02 and control panel connections ,I understood the following :
DS02 to DM02:
1. 1 to SPK, 2 to MIC, 3 & A -12V, C & 4 & - to GND.
2. L+ and L- on DS02 are not to be connected to anything .
DM02 to control panel :
1. 4way cable between DM02 and comfort digital part .
2. Mic and voice of DM02 to connect DP voice and Mic on comfort analog part .
Please advise are there ANY OTHER CONNECTIONS NEEDED between DS02, DM02 and comfort panel ? because DM02 LEDs are not lit and also no bell rings and no sign of life at DS02 .
3.PIR to Comfort connections:
3D petwise has following terminals A/B - ALARM , C -12 V, D - 0V, E/F - TAMPER, G-RLED
The comfort manual only tells to connect to Zone terminals , which means two wires ..Z1 and common . So how do i connect 7 wires of PIR to two terminals at comfort panel ? which two wires to connect to connect here at Z1 and common and where to connect the other wires from PIR ?
4. Comfort to Smoke sensor
Again , kindly help out with all wires connections
5. Comfort to Odyssey external Siren and strobe
The terminals on comfort :
SRN+ , SRN-, STR-, 12VF
The wires from Odyssey :
A(12V), B (BELL), C(TAMP), D(0V), S(STRB)
Kindly match the above .
I understand I asked a lot. I hope you can be generous and patient to help me to move forward .
Thanks and best regards
Alex
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Posted: Tuesday Sep 25th, 2012 03:59 am |
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There are no incompatible components
I suggest to try connecting Comfort and Keypad first to make sure the system is working before going on to connect other devices
DM02 to Comfort has already been advised
You have to Program Comfigurator using a UCM accordingg to the number of keypads and Door stations
The document Programming with Comfigurator from http://www.cytech.biz/installation_and_programming.html will explain how to do this
For PIR you have to connect 12V and 0V from Comfort to the power supply of the PIR
Each PIR and smoke sensor should have it own connection diagram which shows how to connect the device to an alarm panel This should show how the tamper is connected
Did you buy the system from a distributor? It may be better to talk to then on the phone to give you direct guidance on how to connect
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Posted: Tuesday Sep 25th, 2012 09:05 am |
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The following might shed some light (all taken from the Comfort Manual - As advised)
1) Batteries fine. 7.5A/Hr relates to the battery drain over time
2) Ident has advised on this...
3) Comfort / PIR
12v / Connection C (12v)
0v / Connection D (0v)
Zone Input / Connection A/B (Alarm) Check if N/C or N/O
Box Tamper / Connection E/F
Connection G seems proprietary to the PIR
Check also the EOL jumper on Comfort is correct.
For the Power to the PIRs you just connect the supply voltages in parallel - Only the Zones need to go to separate inputs
4) Smoke sensors will require +12v and 0v (same as PIR) and have either a N/C or N/O output (connect these to their own zone and configure zone type)
5) Comfort / Odessay
SRN + / 12v (A)
SRN - / Bell(B) - Check this with instructions
STR - / STRB - Connect Only if -ve activate
12VF / STRB - Connect Only if +ve activate
Common 0v / 0v (D)
I would contact your distributer / Odessay to be safe as you could potentially cause damage to the Comfort Board or alarm if you get this wrong. Also note any 'installer mode' on the bell (indicated by LED flash sequence) as this may cause you to think there is an issue with the unit.
Hope this helps...Last edited on Tuesday Sep 25th, 2012 09:06 am by Vangelis
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Posted: Tuesday Sep 25th, 2012 08:26 pm |
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Thanks indent and Vangelis.
As you might have guessed ,I am a novice at security system concepts. I shall have to do some reading on N/C and N/O with respect to PIRs and smoke detectors
EOL- I am not using for PIRs as all wiring is in safe in the walls and the jumpers are shunted properly .however if I understood correct , I shall need to use resistors for smoke detectors .any input on N/C , N/O and EOL resistors is highly appreciated
Vangelis, can you kindly elaborate or show by some diagram what do you mean by 'for the power to PIR, must connect the supply voltage in parallel ..'
COMFORT / ODYSSEY
How to determine about 'only if -ve activated / only if +ve activated '
By the way , I took all wiring out and restarted from basics, with only one keypad KP06 (as it has default id =1).it displays ''wrong text .press *1 to sync',however pressing that does not do anything except beeping .how can I get it to synchronise text with control panel .
However all the voice menu is working .I also did alarm disalarm using 1234#. Please note that I don't have the UCM to use configurator .
Thanks in advance and warm regards
Alex
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 26th, 2012 02:59 am |
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Press * 1 should be together ie dont press * and then 1. Press * 1 together
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 26th, 2012 05:54 am |
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of Course, I pressed together
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 26th, 2012 06:00 am |
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what exactly happens when you press * 1 together?
Do you get the message "Press F0 on keypad?:
What message do you see on the KP06 when you press * 1?
What beep do you hear?
If you hear a long beep after a few seconds it could mean that you have not pressed the 2 keys together
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 26th, 2012 06:45 am |
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Please note that I don't have the UCM to use configurator .
Get one bought it will be so much easier to configure the system.
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 26th, 2012 11:11 am |
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After pressing * and 1 together , there is no change in screen display , it keeps on showing the same message ' wrong text press * & 1 together' . If I press and leave then there will be one beep sound during the one second that my fingers were on keys and then silence . If I keep the keys pressed, then the beeps I hear is short repeating beeps until I keep the keys pressed and then nothing after I let go.
Thanks
Alex
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 26th, 2012 11:22 am |
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What is the firmware version of the Comfort?
You can see the firmware on a label on the U1 IC
Otherwise go to Keypad press F0 6789#
Press 7,4,3 for System Number
What is announced?
It may be that your Comfort is an old version that does not support the KP06
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 26th, 2012 11:54 am |
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Hi , U1 IC writes ULT 5.214
IF this version does not support KP06 , then what are my options . I bought all these products from abroad and replacement might be the most difficult option .
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Posted: Thursday Sep 27th, 2012 01:59 am |
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Posted: Friday Sep 28th, 2012 01:13 pm |
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N/O = Normally Open contact
N/C = Normally Closed contact
Basically when the sensor (PIR / Smoke detector) is activated it will either CLOSE the two contacts (A/B) or OPEN them
Regarding the power to the sensors - Just take all the +ve wires from the sensor cable runs within the Comfort enclosure, solder them together and then connect to to +12v on the Comfort board. Do the save with the -ve (to 0v)
As for the BellBox connections, check with the distributor or manufacturer as they will be best placed to know the wiring diagram
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Posted: Friday Oct 5th, 2012 09:09 pm |
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hi ,
I ordered UCM , got it and used it to upgrade the firmware of comfort ultra successfully . Now the KP06 is fine .
However it says phone trouble message , which i understand is because there is no phone line yet in the house , it being a new house . The phone line is expected next week .
I know that i can ignore this warning of phone trouble for a while and move on to install other things. And this brings me back to the original topic of this thread .. the Door station DS02 and DM02 issue ...
1) there is no sound of bell when i press the bell button on DS02. I have connected a telephone and i am hoping it to ring when DS02 bell is pressed.
2) the test button on DM02, when pressed also does not produce any ring
3) No light is ON on DM02.
4) The comfigurator does not show any door stattions installed , when i use it to scan for door stations .
HOWEVER the door station DS02 light is lit !!!!
Does this means i made any mistake in DS02 - DM02 - comfort connections ? or all the above will be solved if and when i have a telephone libe
Thanks and regards
Alex
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Posted: Saturday Oct 6th, 2012 02:03 am |
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If you do not find a door station after a scan there may be a problem with the Comfort to DM02 connection
Check the 4 way white cable is connected securely and the DM02 id is set to 1, ie A B C are inserted
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