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 Posted: Friday Aug 14th, 2015 03:45 pm
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Anyone has experience programming comfigurator in order using RLY01H acting as bell button to control a dimmer control ?

Bell button that i mean is : for on/off by short press for dim up/down by long press

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 Posted: Saturday Aug 15th, 2015 10:14 pm
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The RLY01H is a relay which works simply on an open/closed circuit triggered by an output for upping voltage ect. if your using a non voltage bell button this should be added to a input and the appropriate programming implemented. Im not sure if this is what you meant, im only going by what you haven written.



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Hi Toni,
Actually i need ' bell button simulation ' at output side. I plan to control a dimmer control ( see attachment) . It need a button type . So i plan using rly01h to act like bell button . So how to program comfigurator to do so ( short press and long press ) ... or short press = momentary press 
And is it possible to program  the user interface at android to show 'ON' and 'OFF' button and one 'slider' to represent long press with counter range

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You can connect a push button to zone, make it ZoneType Switch Normally Open
On Response = Output N On Off Response = Output N Off
This is the same as using a button to press the switch on the dimmer



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So at phone user interface will be appear as 1 button ? And when we press the button become close from Normally Open until we releasing the button in the screen ?



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Press and Hold is not possible in the Comfort iphone appThe control menu allows you to send any ciommand eg Pulse output for 1 second 2 seconds etc but it cannot dim or brighten to an absolutre level becauase the device does not tell its feedback status



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.....You can connect a push button to zone, make it ZoneType Switch Normally OpenOn Response = Output N On Off Response = Output N OffThis is the same as using a button to press the switch on the dimmer......


So what does 'above' mean , is not same as bell button function or 'press and hold '  ?  

If i need one button that only send momentary pulse ( e.g 100 ms ) . Regardless dimming function. I only use comfort as redundant of physically button at the wall.  And the button ( at android apps ) also can reflect the status ( like standart interface on off in lamp ) .. so : 
1. How to program comfigurator ? With nice appearance like standart button lamp at android app ( not "text" button )
2. Could i use rly01h at output side and  combine with current sensor at input for status ?
3. If all can program like above, how to create virtual nodes so from zwave controller it is acknowledged as normal/standart on off lamp device .

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Am i right if output with "blind operation" is quite similar with i expect to control the dimmer control ? could i use this type of output with this connection modification :  up and down in blind operation  connect to 2 relays right ?  for dimmer control i connect both relays at same input ( switch input at the dimmer )

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I think what you are actually saying is using the RLY0H as a momentary switch which you would have to configure as a pulse from the output to trigger it one step at a time, the module the Hytronik module then does the work for dimming?
However I do not see how you completely turn of the module unless that is also wired through the relay to break the circuit!
(Basically you would have to configure the output to activate for argument sake 1 sec and then press again to repeat action causing the module to dim as required!)
Just looked up the module and you would have to configure the relay for bursts of whatever time and then a separate button to do a short burst to turn off.
However because of the nature of the apps unless you per-program a sequence you would have to follow the same process of tapping app button to dim and separate one to turn off.
I think the way you have described things initially has caused confusion as to what you wanted to achieve

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Hi Toni
I apologize of my confusing explanation.

Turn on, turn off and dimming can be done by one switch ( bell button switch type ).  Yes short press will make the switch become "momemtary switch" and the result are turn on or turn off. For dimming we should long press the same button and the result are dimming down or dimming up. To get the dimming level , just relase it in the level we want

Anyway idea with 2 button , maybe suitable for this project 




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As an alternate method of control - Have you thought of using Comforts IR capabilities?

You would have to use and IR Rx module as your dimmer, however may give you the control you wish..

Vangelis



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One way is to program control menu for Short press - pulse output for 0.5 secondsLong press - -pulse output for eg 5 seconds
Dim - permanent set output 1 to dim continuous until the dim stop commandDim stop  - Output Off to stop the dimming



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Hi Vangelis,
Could you explain more ? interesting idea .... It should need additional device, isnt it ? 



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tech07...it will be 3 button , right ?



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Sure... Comfort has some pre-stored (vendor) IR codes and can 'blast' them out via an IR Tx (http://www.cytech.biz/infrared_led_module.html) that is connected to the Comfort Panel.

Using this type of Dimmer Switch (http://www.varilight.co.uk/products/vplus-ir.html) replacing your single gang switch, it can be programmed to turn on/off/dim via these IR codes.

The idea would be that you centrally locate the IR Blaster in the room and then have multiple IR Dimmer switch plates controlling various lights. I suspect you could even control table lights via similar IR Switches.

One thing to note - This method is not status aware, in that you will be unable to query the status of lights (however you might be able to use Comforts 'counters' to keep an eye on things?)

Vangelis




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Thats interestingHave you learned the IR codes for the Varilight switches?Is there any problem?



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This is good idea and good product too.... but unfortunately for my house  already ordered using newest of philips LED module ( 16 watt for 2000 lm ) that using Xitanium Driver with Dali/Trailing Edge dimming protocol,  also the dimmer controller already bought  , so  i has no option except programing cytech . 
For now it is using 2 altenatives :
1.  Through RLY01H combine by current sensor for status, but there is possibility, comfort only control on off without dimming function ( due make it simple for user side )
2. Through Dimmer 2 Fibaro ( my system using ucm zwave ) . I plan using fibaro user interface as main access combine comfort as provider management complexity / as integrator system  

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@slychiu - You don't need to as the dimmer module learns codes from remote. In effect, you can pick any ones from Comforts library and blast them out/

Vangelis



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Thats really interesting. We must get some to try



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Following tech07 suggestion ... comfort succesful control the dimmer control .  There are 2 key  :  first key , on off key by sending output pulse 100 ms . Second key, dimming key by sending output pulse 4 seconds
On off key working very well . Dimming key can dim the lamp about 50 % and 100 %. 
Next ... .any suggestion how to make  the user interface more "pretty" ,  at least like standart on off button  ? Now the "button" are text button ... not okay. 

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