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- Home - 01-08-2012
I think (Juwi_uk) option 2 is tied in with the Siri/automation suggestion. (I\'m using Siri as a term as it describes the type of interaction that i am ultimately after if someone can come up with better terminology...)
I think that Siri app that (given the away/holiday mode example) actually asks you at the end of (say) 20 hours \"your home has now been vacated for longer than expected would you like to arm to holiday mode\" etc is surely where we must be heading.
Taking these discussions could we not explore ten of these scenarios and see if we cannot get something working?
If we had something like this that worked then it would negate the end user having to set up or download upload anything. I am of course assuming that all Comfort installs have permanent Ethernet connection (which is where we as installer are rapidly heading.
- schford - 01-08-2012
A couple of ideas for a top 10 a wizrd could ask you about and then setup...Even if its not done with a wizard we could all contribute our code to make it easier for everyone else to set it up and I bet we would see some new ideas for us all to use.
1 - I see you have a PIR and light control in these rooms X Y Z - would you like me to set it up so the PIR turns the lights on when you walk in and switches them off after an hour of no movement? (Perhaps you could ask the user how long to wait before turning them off).
2 - I see you have a drive gate that I can control and a sensor that lets me see when it is open - would you like me to set it up so that by default if you open the gate with the system I close it again after 10 minutes?
3 - Would you like me to set the system to turn all the lights off if you activate way mode?
4 - Would you like me to turn all the downstairs lights off when you activate night mode?
5 - I see you have an intercom on the gate would you like me to set it up so it rings the house phones, diverts to anwserphone after 30 seconds, and switches off the ringer if you open the gate outside the system?
6 - Would you like me to divert the gate intercom to your mobile if alarm mode is active?
7 - Would you like me to program a lit route for you from downstairs to your bedroom that is activated by a wall switch and then when you confirm you have reached the bedroom with another wall switch press I will activate the night mode for you.
Anyone else got any thoughts?
- Home - 01-08-2012
schford
Exciting - as with everything there is so much more to any of this than meets the eye - it ground breaking stuff and i\'m pretty sure we would need to do lots of BETA on this and before long it would be a full time job of a shed load of sad people!
Any way here goes !
\"\"1 - I see you have a PIR and light control in these rooms X Y Z - would you like me to set it up so the PIR turns the lights on when you walk in and switches them off after an hour of no movement? \"\"(Perhaps you could ask the user how long to wait before turning them off).
- probably best to split this into two separate activities ... light on wit movement ......lights off after a time with movement may be set a week or two delay so that we build up to the lights off!
- In our experience an hour is about right but 50% dim is better than OFF, of course if its already 50% dim or less then you need to switch off
- What happens if this action occurs and the customer wants to change the timer or indeed want to remove the timer or the function altogether (because it was annoying or not required)
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\"\"2 - I see you have a drive gate that I can control and a sensor that lets me see when it is open - would you like me to set it up so that by default if you open the gate with the system I close it again after 10 minutes?\"\"
- not such a good idea all gates will have auto close set up better to think of a way of adding a permanently open command (and then a shut command)
\"\"3 - Would you like me to set the system to turn all the lights off if you activate way mode?\"\"
- again I suggest requires a timer
\"\"4 - Would you like me to turn all the downstairs lights off when you activate night mode?\"\"
- hum this requires more specific knowledge of the locations etc of night mode sensors if and when we set up night mode invariable not all the sensors are on the ground floor and they can access the kitchen etc - i hesitat at this one....
\"\"5 - I see you have an intercom on the gate would you like me to set it up so it rings the house phones, diverts to anwserphone after 30 seconds, and switches off the ringer if you open the gate outside the system?\"\"
- Too much info here; should already ring house phones and if not likely to be a physical change;the doorphone is probably more usefully set up to dial out in away or holiday mode. Switching off ringer - now theres one in its own - we usually add stop ringer to MDC front door zones but the customer could add this... again not so easy if the zone response is already in use it involves adding to and existing response.
6 - Would you like me to divert the gate intercom to your mobile if alarm mode is active?
- hum !
7 - Would you like me to program a lit route for you from downstairs to your bedroom that is activated by a wall switch and then when you confirm you have reached the bedroom with another wall switch press I will activate the night mode for you.
- no way can you imagine you other half getting into this scenario ! there would be hell to pay!
Anyone else got any thoughts?
Yes in truth there are plenty but can this be done and i think every one needs careful thought and testing and really nothing too complicated to start with.
- slychiu - 01-11-2012
Thats very interesting
Does anyone have any idea how the sharing of code will be managed? using What software and development platform?
- cgiltrow - 01-16-2012
This is a great discussion, and I believe an very important next step for the home automation industry.
I will give some thought to my top ten and post them here.
Another way to look at the same thing that I think might be helpful: What should the \"default\" (think more \"cool\" than default) functionality of a home automation system be (and then what is required and how do we implement it easily for the masses). So for example, the one mentioned of diverting a gate station to mobile when the system is armed to me should be a default function of a home automation system.
A good set of default functionality that people start becoming used will make the system easier to implement and use.
Cheers,
Clinton.
- Home - 01-19-2012
I think what is needed is to choose say the 20 \'best\' functions as we have started to do above....then to form some sort of matrix (again as we have started to do above).
As we can already see it becomes very complex very quickly.
Some feed back on what to do if once the user has been given an option and then set it - how to
- back track on this option
- document the option
This is breaking into new territory and really don\'t have the answer... perhaps the app needs to /store or relay a change list or would this \'simply\' be a recollection of the comfort log (in a user friendly form)that could be highlighted and reversed...
Also commenting on cgiltro\'s \"Another way to look at the same thing that I think might be helpful: What should the \"default\" (think more \"cool\" than default) functionality of a home automation system be (and then what is required and how do we implement it easily for the masses). So for example, the one mentioned of diverting a gate station to mobile when the system is armed to me should be a default function of a home automation system.\" Which again is correct - sort of.. because this relies on the customer not the installer, in as much as it requires the customer to input his chosen telephone number. So perhaps the introduction of an iphone install settings talk though menu would be a good idea - in the case above the talk though would start by asking the customer what should happen when armed to different security modes, and as a default suggest that when arming to away that a telephone number(s) is/are provided.
Honestly this is really interesting BUT to get it right is going to take some real genius piece of human interaction interface psychology. Perhaps its one for the girls !
- slychiu - 02-11-2012
This is a very interesting discusion
Does schford, cgiltrow have any examples of code that cabn be used for this smart setup?
- Home - 02-11-2012
I think it needs a matrix which need to start at both ends of the spectrum.... let me try and explain.
It needs to have complete headings that encompass the functionality from the users perspective but also needs a matrix of what comfort can do and how it does it.
Are there any budding mathematicians out there?
What then needs to happen is that you look at a micro example as a test. This should then enable you firstly to establish what and how the software should be capable of then it should be \'easier\' to grow the product.
You need to be able to map the process and the problem is there are so many variable variables!
Any way there is a possibility of course that i\'m totally wrong and its easy!