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- paulgw - 02-28-2012
I am reposting this in Questions on using comfort as this may be more relevant
Hi all,
I have had a Comfort II alarm sat in it\'s box for the last couple of years awaiting renovation of the house and subsequent recomissioning.
We are nearly ready and before I go attatching the thing to the alarm wiring and prgramming I want to check it will do what I want.
The scenario I have is main house, garage, garden shed and Summer house.
We have 4 user groups :- Me, My wife, cleaner, tradesmen / parents
Ideally I would like the following behaviour
Day Mode - If anyone apart from cleaner puts system into day mode then main house and garage are disarmed with shed and summer house remaining alarmed.
If cleaner enters her code I want the alarm only to disarm the main house and Ideally want to be able to limit this to the specific timeframe she should be there, i.e. say a wednesday between 10 and 4 only. As far as cleaner is concerned she can only choose between \"Day\" and \"Away\" modes. Night Mode not used for this user nor is Holiday.
Away Mode for all Users alarms everything.
Night Mode - Everything apart from main house upstairs sensors armed
Assuming all of the above is possible how do I create a disarm scenario for the summer house and garden shed or would this effectively need two seperate alarms? I have a sperate keypad in the Summer House and will also have IOS app as well.
If I ran two comfort control panels one for summer house / shed and the other for main house and garage is there a way to get them to talk to each other? Such that a trigger event in the Summer House or shed would appear as a zone trigger on the comfort system in the main house?
The reason I ask this is that I also have an old Comfort I gathering dust in the loft somewhere and assuming it worked and I could find the UCM etc for it that might be an option
I hope my question makes sense, if not please feel free to ask questions / pick holes in my plan....
Paul
- ident - 02-28-2012
I suggest that you do not give the cleaner a code to arm using the keypad
Instead use a key switch or a standalone access control keypad with its own code which provides a contact into comfort. This can be programmed not to arm to any mode but to bypass a set of zones depending on the time so the maid can get in during those times.
Other family members can use the keypad to arm and disarm as usual
Away, day, Night away can be used as required.
If you want a separate and independent arm/disarm operation in the summer house and shed it is better to use a separate comfort system. Comfort I will work but the new features like iPhone app will not work
To link two systems together use outputs from one system to inputs of the other
- paulgw - 03-01-2012
Hi ident,
thanks for your response, can you elaborate as to why I shouldn\'t give the cleaner a code? I thought the whole idea with Comfort was that you could have multiple users with their own ocdes or am i missing something.
I will have a KP06 in the study with a scene control switch for the lights in the same frame and won\'t get approval to add anything else
Since my original post I decided to go with two seperate systems, one purely for the summer house and the other for the shed, garage and main house.
Is there a burgular alarm example template available somewhere to show a simple starting point? I have had a go at programming the system and so far it does everything it should but want to make sure I haven\'t got it doing anything daft either.
Regards
Paul
- schford - 03-01-2012
I too would like to be able to give our housekeeper a code and it only work on certain days / times - perhaps something to consider for a future update?
I would have thought that a significant proportion of potential customers for a high end system like Comfort might have a similar requirement?
I have considered combination or key presses on light switches but honestly - our cleaner probably couldn\'t do it :-)
Cheers
Stuart
- ident - 03-02-2012
Quote:can you elaborate as to why I shouldn\'t give the cleaner a code? I thought the whole idea with Comfort was that you could have multiple users with their own codes or am i missing something.
I sugested using a key switch or separate access control keypad for the cleaner because of the complex requirement for this user, ie
\"only to disarm the main house and Ideally want to be able to limit this to the specific timeframe she should be there, i.e. say a wednesday between 10 and 4 only.\"
You can have 16 users with diferent authorisation levels ie remote arm, remote disarm, local arm, local disarm etc
However any user who disarms will disarm the entire system except for 24 hour zonens and not just some areas
Another possibility is to have all zones exept the main house as 24 hour zones so when the system is disarmed the other 24 hour zones remain armed
You can program the System Disarmed Alarm Response so that if users other than the cleaner disarm then the 24 hour zones are bypassed. This should be a workable solution
- ident - 03-02-2012
Quote:I too would like to be able to give our housekeeper a code and it only work on certain days / times - perhaps something to consider for a future update?
User code which is enabled or disabled based on time programs is a feature under development.
This is different from a user being able to disarm only certain areas leaving other areas armed which is a different requirement
- Vangelis - 03-02-2012
Thought also needs to be given how this timed user code will work in practice :
1) Cleaner arrives 5 mins early - enters property causing entry delay to execute - unable to enter code disarm code due to it being outside of allotted time - alarm goes off
2) Cleaner overruns allotted time and is unable to arm system
Some logic and audible announcements could be built around this but its not as straight forward as it first looks.
- ident - 03-02-2012
Correct, even if the function is available, the person responsible needs to think through the implications
- schford - 03-02-2012
Thanks Ident!
In terms of functionality - exiting I would suggest just using std arm button and not needing to logon.
Logging on I would probably have a broad range eg she can disarm system in day time but not night.
- paulgw - 05-18-2012
Hi all,
Finally have the time to revisit this, so thank you to everyone for their previous replies - I am flattered you think my house would take 6 hours to clean!! The cleaners hours are 12 till 2 hence the 10 till 4 in the original post to allow for some degree of flexibility.
I have a Honeywell (ADE) smart set key fob based alram control which has a relay output and I plan to implement the idea of suppressing zones as proposed by ident above. The bit that is unclear is that in order to get to said box the cleaner will trigger two sensors - one on the front door itself and the other being the hall PIR.
How do I stop these resulting in the alarm going off?
Regards
Paul