Arming Modes, User Code and Outbuildings

[tech07]

The front door should be an Entry Zone Type and the PIR should have \"Entry Path\" checked in the zone settings

[paulgw]

[user=2250]tech07[/user] wrote:

The front door should be an Entry Zone Type and the PIR should have \"Entry Path\" checked in the zone settings

Hi Tech 07,

The front door and Hall PIR are set up as you suggest in your post but I am not at all sure that helps move things forward. As all this does is allow the entrant sufficient time to get to the alarm panel to type in their access code.

If I understood ident\'s proposal correctly the cleaner wouldn\'t have an acess code to the alarm at all and would have a key or tag (in my case the Honeywell fob) that would surpress zones once they enter the house.

What I am struggling with is how this works in practice as she will have already set off zones 1 and 2 at this point and therefore started the delay counter so without an alarm code surely cannot stop the natural progression towards the alarm going off?

 Paul

[ident]

Looking back on the earlier posts, the reason why I suggested to use a keyfob to bypass zones instead of disarm was because you originally had a separate area in the summer house which would be disarmed if the cleaner used a code. You have since said that the summer house would be a separate system so that is not a problem anymore

The cleaner should be able to use her code to disarm the system. The new Firmware 6.021 allows the user code to be enabled or disabled by Response, eg using Time Programs. The new Daily Time Adjustment feature allows you to adjust the time error so that the time remains accurate

If you use a keyfob , you can program the Zone Response to disarm the system, not to bypass zones

I hope I have covered the issues

[paulgw]

Hi ident,

Many thanks for the update on the firmware, I was assuming this wouldn\'t happen for a while so was looking for work arounds.

Any idea when 6.021 will be released?

Thanks

Paul

[ident]

Actually it is 6.020 not 6.021 which has these new features
This has already been released, see forum at http://www.comfortforums.com/forum79/2815.html

[paulgw]

Hi all,

Revisiting this topic as alarm in the summer house has stopped working and rather than continuing to maintain a second alarm system and instead looking at the idea of putting an SEM02 in the summer house.

The new system setup would consist of the following:-

Keypad at front door - external door configured as entry / exit zone
Keypad in garage - external door configured as entry / exit zone
Keypad in summer house - external door configured as entry exit zone.

User code 1 - entering user code 1 will put alarm in Day mode.

User code 2 - entering user code 2 will put alarm to security off

Day mode - all house zones omitted, but summer house and shed remain active.

Night mode - all zones working except landing zone omitted.

Security off - All zones disabled

Away -all zones active

So my questions are:-

1. Can I have 3 zones all set as entry exit zones with delays for entering the user code.

2. Will my plan regarding the security modes work?

Thanks

Paul

[ident]

Can I have 3 zones all set as entry exit zones with delays for entering the user code.

Yes you can have as many Entry Door zones as you wish
Each one can have its own entry time using the Entry Time action assigned to the zone response

2. Will my plan regarding the security modes work?

Day mode, Night mode and away mode can work as you say
But entering the user code does not activate any response so you canot sign in with user 1 to put the system in to day mode. Is that necessary?

[paulgw]

Hi ident,

If it was possible to have the system setup to have a user code able to put the alarm into a certain state then it would get around the whole partitioning situation if I understand how this works correctly.

The alarm states of security off, night mode, day mode and away mode could be implemented to effectively bypass zones.

Having a user code, for instance 1111 perform an action and put the system into day mode would enable access to the main house but leave outbuildings etc still alarmed.

Where my understanding is limited is what would happen if with the house was in day mode but I open the summer house door- do I still get the entry exit delay which gives me the chance to enter the second user code - say 2222 which would then put the system to security off - or would I get an instant activation of the alarm.

I realise there is a compromise in having to have two user codes in order to achieve the solution but from my perspective I think this would be a great compromise to overcome the partitioning aspect.

If people are wondering why the interest in this solution - it is purely driven by cost and flexibility - having two or more comfort panels in a property to control alarms isn\'t cheap but could be doable - the crippling factor is then the amount of UCM\'s needed to ensure interaction between the different alarms and cbus / knx / Ethernet / 3rd party etc.

In my setup (which I think is fairly basic in terms of requirements) I would end up needing to purchase another £1k worth of UCM\'s just to make everything talk to external systems and would then have integration headaches with systems such as wiser which can only support one comfort instance on a network and require a network bridge at another £500 or so pounds to effectively mask the presence of one of the comfort systems and therefore reducing my level of integration.

Currently this is written as an end user but as of March 1st 2014 I will be an installer / specifier of comfort and think this is a feature that will help sell comfort in the types of properties I will be targeting.

Apologies for the long winded post but hope you get the idea, any questions please let me know.

Regards

Paul

[ident]

what would happen if with the house was in day mode but I open the summer house door- do I still get the entry exit delay which gives me the chance to enter the second user code - say 2222 which would then put the system to security off - or would I get an instant activation of the alarm.

As long as the system is armed, opening an  entry door will start the entry delay

It may be possible for user codes to do a Response.
Misc Event > User Responses have response for each user but this is used only for the Fingerprint reader (which is not sold anymore)
Perhaps this can work for normal user sign ins, but will have to consult the R&D engineers

Currently this is written as an end user but as of March 1st 2014 I will be an installer / specifier of comfort and think this is a feature that will help sell comfort in the types of properties I will be targeting.

I am glad to hear that. If you have been an end user who installed and programmed your own system, you should be very well equipped as far as programming and configuration of Comfort

[paulgw]

Hi ident,

Thanks for your reply - it would be really good to know if the user codes can be used in this way - did you get any feedback from R&D?

Thanks for your words of encouragement - I am still only confident that I can program the basics currently but I am slowly getting my head round the integration potential with CBUS and Heatmiser etc.

Are there are any training courses planned for next year in the UK?

Regards

Paul